Rejected Fail RP + Fear RP + Force RP | GOV + SAHP + LSPD + NG

[Bam Asiri]

From the start of the POV gunshots are heard on the lower floor, clearly not from our group. At 0:36 I confirm over the radio that we aren’t shooting and also request that LEOs avoid shooting us. In the Ghetto 3rd party shots are a known risk, yet barricades provide the LEOs with adequate protection without forcing a location change. At 1:09 ID 107267 consults fellow LEO Harvey Dent (ID 169710) and despite ID 127106 confirming we won’t move, ID 107267 pressures Harvey to retreat. ID 45014 also came for negotiation. At 1:43 ID 107267 again orders us to change location. When ID 127106 reaffirms we’re staying, ID 107267 orders and begins to leave, instructing others to follow. At 2:13 when informed of the hostage, LEOs ignore it and continue to retreat. ID 92745 suggests relocating disregarding our decision to stay. Even after scouting, no LEO remained. LEOs must prioritize the hostage's life and if they wish to move, they can barricade themselves rather than abandon the scene. They violated Fear RP and Fail RP rules. At timestamp 1:44 they also violated the Force RP rule by ordering us to change location, despite us having a hostage, instead of requesting it politely.

 

[Alan_Degrey]

From the start of the POV gunshots are heard on the lower floor, clearly not from our group. At 0:36 I confirm over the radio that we aren’t shooting and also request that LEOs avoid shooting us. In the Ghetto 3rd party shots are a known risk, yet barricades provide the LEOs with adequate protection without forcing a location change. At 1:09 ID 107267 consults fellow LEO Harvey Dent (ID 169710) and despite ID 127106 confirming we won’t move, ID 107267 pressures Harvey to retreat. At 1:43 ID 107267 again orders us to change location. When ID 127106 reaffirms we’re staying, ID 107267 orders and begins to leave, instructing others to follow. At 2:13 when informed of the hostage, LEOs ignore it and continue to retreat. ID 92745 suggests relocating disregarding our decision to stay. Even after scouting, no LEO remained. LEOs must prioritize the hostage's life and if they wish to move, they can barricade themselves rather than abandon the scene. They violated Fear RP and Fail RP rules.

Mr. Bam Asiri, tell me a thing, there are 2 hostages and 15-17 leo's, if they all died in a 3rd party, who will continue the negotiations? 2nd, there were more than 15-17 leo's, and their life is more important than the 2 hostages. And they can leave the area because the situation you have chosen is not safe, neither for the Leo's nor for you and the hostages. So you really want to continue the negotiation there.

 

[Alan_Degrey]

And last thing, it was confirmed by Yaswanth Trigger, before doing these things.

 

[Bam Asiri]

Mr. Bam Asiri, tell me a thing, there are 2 hostages and 15-17 leo's, if they all died in a 3rd party, who will continue the negotiations? 2nd, there were more than 15-17 leo's, and their life is more important than the 2 hostages. And they can leave the area because the situation you have chosen is not safe, neither for the Leo's nor for you and the hostages. So you really want to continue the negotiation there.

Mr. Alan Degrey, no offense but it doesn’t seem you’re fully informed. Saying that a LEO's life is more important than a hostage’s sounds fearful, not professional. If LEOs are too afraid to prioritize saving lives, they need better training before taking on the role. Also, irrelevant responses and provocation can lead to forum punishments, especially if you're banned and just here to stir up arguments + not involved in the situation yourself. As for the location issue, I explained it in detail. If it’s still unclear let's leave it to the admins to decide.

 

[Alan_Degrey]

Mr. Alan Degrey, no offense but it doesn’t seem you’re fully informed. Saying that a LEO's life is more important than a hostage’s sounds fearful, not professional. If LEOs are too afraid to prioritize saving lives, they need better training before taking on the role. Also, irrelevant responses and provocation can lead to forum punishments, especially if you're banned and just here to stir up arguments + not involved in the situation yourself. As for the location issue, I explained it in detail. If it’s still unclear let's leave it to the admins to decide.

To let you know, what you have mentioned? SAHP, and I am the deputy of SAHP, and if you are mentioning SAHP in the title, then I am free to give my perspective. And also of changing the location thing, before a day of this hostage situation, it was confirmed by Yaswanth to do these things and all stuff.

 

[Alan_Degrey]

And what I have mentioned, 2 hostages and 15 leo's, if the Leo's will be killed, then who will do the negotiations from the state orgs side?

 

[Bam Asiri]

And what I have mentioned, 2 hostages and 15 leo's, if the Leo's will be killed, then who will do the negotiations from the state orgs side?

We don’t know the exact number of LEOs on scene and in the Ghetto, third parties are always a factor. The LEOs could have used barricades for protection, or their '15 officers' could have managed one or two 3rd party threats. At the very least, they could have requested our cooperation instead of ordering us. This is exactly my point. You’re disregarding the forum owner's statements and responding solely to mislead the admins. I suggest you stop attempting to misguide/deceive them.

 

[Alan_Degrey]

We don’t know the exact number of LEOs on scene and in the Ghetto, third parties are always a factor. The LEOs could have used barricades for protection, or their '15 officers' could have managed one or two 3rd party threats. At the very least, they could have requested our cooperation instead of ordering us. This is exactly my point. You’re disregarding the forum owner's statements and responding solely to mislead the admins. I suggest you stop attempting to misguide/deceive them.

It's my perspective, Bam. Not decieving, and in most of the forums, I was 100 percent right; check all the forums. And there is a difference between misguiding and decieving. Also, I don't think I'm misguiding any admin; they always check the evidence before taking a decision, and you are thinking that giving a perspective of a situation is misguiding or decieving. I dont want any further talk about this matter. I have already told you about my perspective, and now everything is on the admin, and I'm again sure that this forum won't lead to any punishment for our organization. And btw wdym by misguiding xd.

 

[Bam Asiri]

It's my perspective, Bam. Not decieving, and in most of the forums, I was 100 percent right; check all the forums. And there is a difference between misguiding and decieving. Also, I don't think I'm misguiding any admin; they always check the evidence before taking a decision, and you are thinking that giving a perspective of a situation is misguiding or decieving. I dont want any further talk about this matter. I have already told you about my perspective, and now everything is on the admin, and I'm again sure that this forum won't lead to any punishment for our organization. And btw wdym by misguiding xd.

Quite the delusion there , and if you think misguiding admins isn’t deceiving, I suggest reviewing the rules. Also, by making unsupported claims with admin Yaswanth’s name, you’re attempting to mislead others. If you have proof of Yaswanth’s stance, please provide it for clarity. From what I understand, that admin is knowledgeable and likely provided more context than what you're sharing here. It seems you're selectively mentioning certain points while leaving out important details.

 

[Alan_Degrey]

Quite the delusion there , and if you think misguiding admins isn’t deceiving, I suggest reviewing the rules. Also, by making unsupported claims with admin Yaswanth’s name, you’re attempting to mislead others. If you have proof of Yaswanth’s stance, please provide it for clarity. From what I understand, that admin is knowledgeable and likely provided more context than what you're sharing here. It seems you're selectively mentioning certain points while leaving out important details.

It will be provided to our curators, if they will ask and to let you know, our curator was also there xD

 

[Harsh Tzariar]

Leaving my precious message to see the decisions made by Admins

 

[Babi Ruthless]

On Consideration​

 

[Babi Ruthless]

Lock for Org Curator's​

 

[Yaswanth Trigger]

On Consideration

 

[Yaswanth Trigger]

Requesting state organizations to provide proof of getting third party Firing ​

 

[afro]

This is pov from lspd my side
As you see this green guy and someguy approached us and i see some of them wearing armor vest and they come close to me so i was ready with my weapon and this green guy shooted me after that i got order to go back position and after i was there and we got shoot from the green guy and another guys again then i go down and also got healed and left ghetto as ordered

 

[Bam Asiri]

This is pov from lspd my side
As you see this green guy and someguy approached us and i see some of them wearing armor vest and they come close to me so i was ready with my weapon and this green guy shooted me after that i got order to go back position and after i was there and we got shoot from the green guy and another guys again then i go down and also got healed and left ghetto as ordered

1: At timestamp 1:15, around 20 LEOs are present and could have easily defended against 1 (max 2) 3rd party shooters.

2: Only one person is seen shooting, yet at timestamp 1:45 instead of defending yourself, you stood still, essentially doing Fear RP.

3: ID 106561 is patching mid gunfight at timestamp 2:35 while shots are still being fired.

4: At timestamp 2:41 ID 57144 patches openly without any barricade protection.

5: From timestamp 2:50, the third parties are already managed but LEOs still decided to leave the area.

And here's the proof of video for reference in case u decide to remove video to deceive admins:

https://imgur.com/a/UKiRgZp

 

[Wolf Gangster]

 

[Yaswanth Trigger]

Upon reviewing the evidence I have decided to Deny this report

1. There is no Fail RP by LEOs, LEOs should also show fear for their own life as well as Hostage life, There is an third party Shootout going on, they can ask to change location and contact back.

2. They showed Fear for their and hostage life as well, they clearly asked to change location rather than silently exiting location.

3. No Sign of Force RP form provided evidence