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On consideration Fear RP + Fail RP | LSPD + SAHP + GOV + NG

Your ID
155409
Players nickname
Bam Asiri
Suspect ID
92745,159968,153549
Date of violation
Nov 12, 2024
Time of violation
20:14
Proofs
https://youtu.be/XOdxHBGVPDo

Bam Asiri

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At timestamp 0:21, about 8 gangsters are seen surrounding NG car with ID 155854 as the driver and ID 159478 as the passenger. After complying with our demands, ID 155854 became our hostage, unarmed and under threat. However, at timestamp 0:32 ID 91886 calls for other LEOs to open fire, despite my warning at timestamp 0:33 that we had a hostage. Ignoring the hostage’s safety, the LEOs including IDs 159968, 170291, 92745, 159478, and 153549 opened fire, violating Fear RP and Fail RP resulting in the hostage’s death at timestamp 0:50. This is considered Fail RP because they opened fire immediately without attempting any RP. Instead of prioritizing the hostage's safety, they skipped the proper RP steps that could have ensured a safe ending.
 

Ullash Debnath

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At timestamp 0:21, about 8 gangsters are seen surrounding NG car with ID 155854 as the driver and ID 159478 as the passenger. After complying with our demands, ID 155854 became our hostage, unarmed and under threat. However, at timestamp 0:32 ID 91886 calls for other LEOs to open fire, despite my warning at timestamp 0:33 that we had a hostage. Ignoring the hostage’s safety, the LEOs including IDs 159968, 170291, 92745, 159478, and 153549 opened fire, violating Fear RP and Fail RP resulting in the hostage’s death at timestamp 0:50. This is considered Fail RP because they opened fire immediately without attempting any RP. Instead of prioritizing the hostage's safety, they skipped the proper RP steps that could have ensured a safe ending.
Nice paragraph..keep it up
 

Bam Asiri

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Firstly Leos Were More In Numbers So FAIL RP giving Pull over demands
secondly I was never Taken As Hostage As was just out of Car For Negotiation So was never Taken as hostage
At the timestamps noted, about 8 gangsters surrounded fewer than 4 LEOs, making the pull over demand valid. After hearing demands, NG fearlessly sat in the car, breaking Fear RP rule. Although LEO numbers weren’t fully visible, those on site needed to prioritize hostage safety rather than assuming that strength in numbers permits open fire. When held at gunpoint, negotiation is essential. If a lone LEO approaches amid gangsters claiming to negotiate, they risk being taken as a hostage too.
 

Satish Royal

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Requesting ID 155409 to provide extended POV (1 min + before the situation).

You have 4 hours to provide the POV.
 

Bam Asiri

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Kaam dhanda kar jake fib ke hage hue leader forum toh aise dalta hai jaise sab rule pata ho but teko ghanta kuch nahi ata Itna dhyan khud ki term me diya hota toh sahi rehta jitna alexa ki chatne me laga raha hai

Requesting reviewing admin to take strict actions on this individual for Forum Rule 2 + 5 + 8
 

Aryan mishra

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The claim of Fail RP against the state organization in the provided scenario is based on a misunderstanding of the applicable rules and situational dynamics. Let us address the incident in detail to clarify the actions taken by the state organization members.

At timestamp 0:21, it is observed that about eight individuals identified as gangsters surrounded a National Guard vehicle, taking ID 155854 as a hostage. While the situation escalated quickly, it is critical to understand the context in which the subsequent actions occurred. At timestamp 0:32, ID 91886 issued a call to other law enforcement officers to open fire. The decision to engage in force at this moment was based on the imminent threat posed by the armed gangsters who vastly outnumbered the law enforcement officers on the scene. The presence of a hostage was acknowledged, but the safety and lives of other officers and civilians were also at risk.

While the claim states that this action violated Fear RP and Fail RP rules, it is important to highlight that Fear RP does not imply unconditional compliance with the demands of individuals who are posing an active and immediate threat. According to the Principle of Adequacy and Principle of Necessity in Article 3.3.1 of the Code of Civil and Procedural Law, law enforcement officers are required to use proportional and necessary force to prevent harm to themselves, civilians, and their colleagues. In this case, engaging the aggressors was necessary to neutralize the ongoing threat.

Additionally, the claim that the LEOs did not attempt RP steps before engaging is inaccurate. By warning the suspects to cease their actions and stand down (timestamp 0:32), the officers demonstrated an effort to resolve the situation. When these warnings were ignored and the threat persisted, the officers acted within their rights to prioritize public safety, as outlined in Article 3.2.1 of the Code of Civil and Procedural Law.

The unfortunate death of the hostage at timestamp 0:50 was not due to negligence or reckless behavior by the state organization but rather the inevitable outcome of the gangsters’ decision to place the hostage in harm's way. The gangsters escalated the situation by maintaining their threatening stance despite warnings, leaving law enforcement with no reasonable alternative but to engage.

In conclusion, the actions taken by the state organization do not constitute Fail RP or Fear RP violations. The officers acted in accordance with their procedural and legal obligations under the Code of Civil and Procedural Law, prioritizing public safety and responding proportionally to the immediate threat. The responsibility for the hostage's death lies with the gangsters who created and sustained the hostile situation, not the state organization members who acted in the line of duty to protect others.
I will be representing LSPD as i am member of LSPD and member of GOV as well with my twink.
 

Bam Asiri

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The claim of Fail RP against the state organization in the provided scenario is based on a misunderstanding of the applicable rules and situational dynamics. Let us address the incident in detail to clarify the actions taken by the state organization members.

At timestamp 0:21, it is observed that about eight individuals identified as gangsters surrounded a National Guard vehicle, taking ID 155854 as a hostage. While the situation escalated quickly, it is critical to understand the context in which the subsequent actions occurred. At timestamp 0:32, ID 91886 issued a call to other law enforcement officers to open fire. The decision to engage in force at this moment was based on the imminent threat posed by the armed gangsters who vastly outnumbered the law enforcement officers on the scene. The presence of a hostage was acknowledged, but the safety and lives of other officers and civilians were also at risk.

While the claim states that this action violated Fear RP and Fail RP rules, it is important to highlight that Fear RP does not imply unconditional compliance with the demands of individuals who are posing an active and immediate threat. According to the Principle of Adequacy and Principle of Necessity in Article 3.3.1 of the Code of Civil and Procedural Law, law enforcement officers are required to use proportional and necessary force to prevent harm to themselves, civilians, and their colleagues. In this case, engaging the aggressors was necessary to neutralize the ongoing threat.

Additionally, the claim that the LEOs did not attempt RP steps before engaging is inaccurate. By warning the suspects to cease their actions and stand down (timestamp 0:32), the officers demonstrated an effort to resolve the situation. When these warnings were ignored and the threat persisted, the officers acted within their rights to prioritize public safety, as outlined in Article 3.2.1 of the Code of Civil and Procedural Law.

The unfortunate death of the hostage at timestamp 0:50 was not due to negligence or reckless behavior by the state organization but rather the inevitable outcome of the gangsters’ decision to place the hostage in harm's way. The gangsters escalated the situation by maintaining their threatening stance despite warnings, leaving law enforcement with no reasonable alternative but to engage.

In conclusion, the actions taken by the state organization do not constitute Fail RP or Fear RP violations. The officers acted in accordance with their procedural and legal obligations under the Code of Civil and Procedural Law, prioritizing public safety and responding proportionally to the immediate threat. The responsibility for the hostage's death lies with the gangsters who created and sustained the hostile situation, not the state organization members who acted in the line of duty to protect others.
I will be representing LSPD as i am member of LSPD.

Since you're not present at the situation + not Leader or Deputy any legal Org, you're not obliged to respond therefore I'll be requesting reviewing admin to punish this individual for Forum Rule 8 as well.
 

Aryan mishra

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Since you're not present at the situation + not Leader or Deputy any legal Org, you're not obliged to respond therefore I'll be requesting reviewing admin to punish this individual for Forum Rule 8 as well.
Sorry mate but you made a forum on whole LSPD and gov not on deputy or leader so this technically means you indirectly made a forum on me as i am member of both of the orgs from twink and main. I just stated icly laws for reviewing admin to make things easier for him.
 

Bam Asiri

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Sorry mate but you made a forum on whole LSPD and gov not on deputy or leader so this technically means you indirectly made a forum on me as i am member of both of the orgs from twink and main. I just stated icly laws for reviewing admin to make things easier for him.


Requesting reviewing admin to punish this individual for continuously violating Forum Rule 8.
 
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