Pending review Leader Rule 1.7, State Rule 1.8 | 57435

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I had just got hired into the organization, and for whatever personal issues the temporary leader has, he has informed the person who hired me to actually fire me from the organization for no actual reason. Leader claimed the at first that the hiring was closed for the organization despite not putting anywhere not inside of the internal announcements nor the public announcements that the hiring was closed. Leader then changed it and claimed that my hiring was not "approved" by himself which is not the fault of the employee, and still ordered his high commands to fire me from the organization. The following conversation is proof from my logs in the government emails following this conversation, which also shows the Leader's blatant disregard for the Labor Law

https://imgur.com/a/1vlj50q

https://imgur.com/a/1EN9V3o

https://imgur.com/a/g709tDm

https://imgur.com/a/Ei9CisF

https://imgur.com/a/vKZI2eI

https://imgur.com/a/T58XekQ

https://imgur.com/a/fFnXSZk

https://imgur.com/a/CgooHZ4

https://imgur.com/a/rgJiJOH

This last screenshot is proof of me being in the organization

https://imgur.com/a/4m2sGPb

Here is the pov of me getting fired for no reason at all:
Fired! For No Reason???

If ALL of the hiring logs are looked at, you can see for anyone in the DOJ, they never have to ask for permission, no hands from the Governor have ever been anywhere near the DOJ when it comes to people being hired, and oh what a coincidence how he claims the hiring is closed 5 hours AFTER he invited someone then sees me join. This temporary leader is clearly biased and needs to be removed from his post.

This act clearly violates 1.8 Laws are wrote by the government and every state organization should follow them. if Government is expected to write the laws and have every organization follow them, then why too wouldn't Government itself follow it's own rules to begin with? These laws are specifically in place to prevent such incidents from happening and we have someone who knows not what he is doing come along and violate them? He did not even consult a Curator for the organization regarding the matter, bypassing that altogether firing me from the org which also violates Leader Rule 1.7 The leader of the organization has the right to dismiss employees of his organization if he has lost any confidence in them with the senior curators approval. Where is the approval?

For matters such as these nowhere does it say in the law it is the fault of the person hired if the leader does not like them then they have to be fired. The leader as mentioned in the conversation has the right to delegate roles of management to those he trusts with the process, so why do I have to be fired because he doesnt like who his people hired? Not to mention the Governor cannot just fire someone from the DOJ like that to begin simply because he does not approve of their employment with the organization and he himself while sitting in the governor seat even as someone temporary is clearly not suitable to be on the top spot if he himself thinks actions like this are okay while ignoring the laws that his org is supposed to enforce.

Proof he asked his high commands to fire me!

https://imgur.com/a/F7rjhZs

TO REDUCE TOXICITY I AM ALSO REQUESTING ALL OFF TOPIC COMMENTS BE PUNISHED IF ANY GET POSTED

 

[Rishav Raj]

So, This explanation is just for reviewing admin
1) Your hiring was unauthorised, The representative who hired you wasn’t given any permission to hire you and that my friend makes your hiring illegal and unauthorised ​

2.1.2 The Employer may delegate the authority to hire, promote, terminate or discipline Employees to
certain positions (for example: HR Managers, IA Personnel, Head/Director of a Department)
according to the Charter of their Organisation.
a) Where no such Charter exists, permission must be given by the Employer in order for a
representative of that State Organisation to take actions otherwise reserved in authority for
the Employer

Here a) A GOV does not have a charter.
b)The GOV contract which he is claiming to be GOV charter is actually a contract which is clearly written on top of that document
c)Even if we consider that contract to be charter which it shouldn’t be considered as there is no where written that SCJ have authority to hire
d)Law clearly states Employer can delegate authority according to charter but since there is no charter, that point in itself becomes null and void
2)Leader rule 1.7 in itself is invalid since that rule is there to fire someone oocly while in this case all the actions were taken ICLY for IC mistakes
3)Idk about other terms but in zoro’s term every hiring including in DOJ is authorised by Employer or Employer has been kept in loop while hiring someone.
4)If vee doesnt know third party evidence cannot be considered while last screenshot i.e, proof of me ordering his fire is not his screenshot and so it should be considered invalid

5)

https://imgur.com/a/KpnPmIN

In this link its can clearly be seen that hiring has bene closed not 5 hrs earlier but way before.
6)Article 4.1.1 of the Code of Labour and Employment Law gives leaders the discretion to manage their organization, including overseeing hiring and dismissals. The leader’s claim that the hiring was not "approved" falls within the purview of this discretionary authority. Miscommunication or failure to document the closure of hiring does not invalidate the leader’s authority to dismiss improperly hired personnel.
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[vAnimated]

So, This explanation is just for reviewing admin
1) Your hiring was unauthorised, The representative who hired you wasn’t given any permission to hire you and that my friend makes your hiring illegal and unauthorised ​

2.1.2 The Employer may delegate the authority to hire, promote, terminate or discipline Employees to
certain positions (for example: HR Managers, IA Personnel, Head/Director of a Department)
according to the Charter of their Organisation.
a) Where no such Charter exists, permission must be given by the Employer in order for a
representative of that State Organisation to take actions otherwise reserved in authority for
the Employer

Here a) A GOV does not have a charter.
b)The GOV contract which he is claiming to be GOV charter is actually a contract which is clearly written on top of that document
c)Even if we consider that contract to be charter which it shouldn’t be considered as there is no where written that SCJ have authority to hire
d)Law clearly states Employer can delegate authority according to charter but since there is no charter, that point in itself becomes null and void
2)Leader rule 1.7 in itself is invalid since that rule is there to fire someone oocly while in this case all the actions were taken ICLY for IC mistakes
3)Idk about other terms but in zoro’s term every hiring including in DOJ is authorised by Employer or Employer has been kept in loop while hiring someone.
4)If vee doesnt know third party evidence cannot be considered while last screenshot i.e, proof of me ordering his fire is not his screenshot and so it should be considered invalid

5)

https://imgur.com/a/KpnPmIN

In this link its can clearly be seen that hiring has bene closed not 5 hrs earlier but way before.
6)Article 4.1.1 of the Code of Labour and Employment Law gives leaders the discretion to manage their organization, including overseeing hiring and dismissals. The leader’s claim that the hiring was not "approved" falls within the purview of this discretionary authority. Miscommunication or failure to document the closure of hiring does not invalidate the leader’s authority to dismiss improperly hired personnel.
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We already discussed it in DMs let the admin decide. I already got proof before hand you couldn’t just fire to begin with as long as they are in the organization you need a valid reason for firing and as clearly stated no Charter was violated, Labor Law was not violated, and no crimes were committed to warrant my dismissal. So yes you are wrong on this one even more so because you claim that all healing was closed on 11/16/2024 but if you check the hiring logs it shows you hiring people 9 hours before I joined and I just joined only 2 hours ago. Good try buddy! Let the reviewing admin decide now thanks!

 

[Rishav Raj]

We already discussed it in DMs let the admin decide. I already got proof before hand you couldn’t just fire to begin with as long as they are in the organization you need a valid reason for firing and as clearly stated no Charter was violated, Labor Law was not violated, and no crimes were committed to warrant my dismissal. So yes you are wrong on this one even more so because you claim that all healing was closed on 11/16/2024 but if you check the hiring logs it shows you hiring people 9 hours before I joined and I just joined only 2 hours ago. Good try buddy! Let the reviewing admin decide now thanks!

As stated earlier that comment was for reviewing admin
I closed hiring but still I have authority to approve and disapprove hiring?
+The candidates who were hired were the once who already filled application and was awaiting interviews.
Others did asked for permission from me/deputies before hiring others while the representative who hired you didn’t so buddy as a leader I have full authority to terminate any personal who is being hired illegally.
It’s like you found a key to someone’s house, you went inside now you are claiming ownership.
Even If i am a temp leader, I have all the rights a Governor has to take actions incase of violation.​

 

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As stated earlier that comment was for reviewing admin
I closed hiring but still I have authority to approve and disapprove hiring?
+The candidates who were hired were the once who already filled application and was awaiting interviews.
Others did asked for permission from me/deputies before hiring others while the representative who hired you didn’t so buddy as a leader I have full authority to terminate any personal who is being hired illegally.
It’s like you found a key to someone’s house, you went inside now you are claiming ownership.
Even If i am a temp leader, I have all the rights a Governor has to take actions incase of violation.​

Department of Education is NOT the entire government, and you trying to use this as an excuse to claim that hiring is closed for the entire organizations INCLUDING the DOJ, is completely invalid and funny to think you would try considering you cannot control the DOJ. Looking at previous hiring, you can see that the Governor was never a part of any hiring process that involved the DOJ and now all of a sudden you want to get involved when I join the organization.

No where within the law does it state that an Employee who was hired, is at fault for HOW he was hired, even if you claim the hiring is invalid it is not the fault of the person hired, and that still violates the labor code to fire them for absolutely no reason especially considering you are interfering with the DOJ. Now even without the person being in the DOJ, here is proof of no interference from you regarding the hiring of any other person into the organization:

https://imgur.com/a/MB65yLA

https://imgur.com/a/9CgrUi6

Now look at the hiring for someone from the DOJ:

https://imgur.com/a/ZuQUi6J

Again no where here do you see any interference from YOU the LEADER regarding the hiring of any person into the DOJ. If you are implementing a rule that only the Leader or Deputies can hire someone, then everyone should have the permission to do so removed in game and within the Government Discord instead of making new policies the second I join in an effort to kick me out. The sad part is even your high commands don't understand the reasoning I was fired. Within the video even your high command claimed "Maybe there's a reason but he's not sharing me"

You don't trust high commands with hiring people, but you trust them to fire people even without a proper reason for doing so because we both know the reason is a personal grudge rather than any violations of the things I mentioned already several times which would actually be considered grounds to fire any individual from the organization legitimately.


Keeping this all in mind, if you look at the date that the DOE (Department of Education) was informed that hiring is closed, you claimed that the hiring was closed for the entire organization despite not being able to show any proof that the hiring was closed prior to me being invited to the organization or for that matter, prior to YOU hiring someone right into the organization 5 hours prior. This is proof of the time in which hiring for the DOE was closed in the evidence you provided:

https://imgur.com/a/VuXEL54

Now just look after this fact how many people were hired:

https://imgur.com/a/uIRqFfT

YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE HERE THE DATE and DESPITE THIS HIRING CONTINUED:

https://imgur.com/a/zOHdz7D

https://imgur.com/a/NQydyd4

No where does it say within any internal or external announcements that the hiring was closed and even in the evidence you provided it clearly states DOE, once again showing the personal grudge you have. You may be a temporary governor but without basic rules of the city you will never be a real Governor. Every real Governor knows you can't fire someone who is already inside of an organization simply because you don't like them which is the real case here. This could also be seen as favoritism for you magically closing the hiring despite no proof, somehow right before I joined when again 5 hours prior you hired someone. If the hiring was truly closed that applies to everyone including you otherwise it is favoritism and of course you just end up appearing to look hypocritically which in your role, you cannot afford to be even if it is temporary.

Most leaders even know not to violate Leader Rule 1.7 and State Rule 1.8. I have yet to see a single proof of you consulting a Curator before firing me, and again what you failed to do, is what I surely did, and I did that before you fired me just to ensure you would actually get punished for it. So you can go ahead and stop messaging people privately claiming "all of his forums get rejected anyway" and even if it did your position is temporary to begin with.

 

[Rishav Raj]

Department of Education is NOT the entire government, and you trying to use this as an excuse to claim that hiring is closed for the entire organizations INCLUDING the DOJ, is completely invalid and funny to think you would try considering you cannot control the DOJ. Looking at previous hiring, you can see that the Governor was never a part of any hiring process that involved the DOJ and now all of a sudden you want to get involved when I join the organization.

No where within the law does it state that an Employee who was hired, is at fault for HOW he was hired, even if you claim the hiring is invalid it is not the fault of the person hired, and that still violates the labor code to fire them for absolutely no reason especially considering you are interfering with the DOJ. Now even without the person being in the DOJ, here is proof of no interference from you regarding the hiring of any other person into the organization:

https://imgur.com/a/MB65yLA

https://imgur.com/a/9CgrUi6

Now look at the hiring for someone from the DOJ:

https://imgur.com/a/ZuQUi6J

Again no where here do you see any interference from YOU the LEADER regarding the hiring of any person into the DOJ. If you are implementing a rule that only the Leader or Deputies can hire someone, then everyone should have the permission to do so removed in game and within the Government Discord instead of making new policies the second I join in an effort to kick me out. The sad part is even your high commands don't understand the reasoning I was fired. Within the video even your high command claimed "Maybe there's a reason but he's not sharing me"

You don't trust high commands with hiring people, but you trust them to fire people even without a proper reason for doing so because we both know the reason is a personal grudge rather than any violations of the things I mentioned already several times which would actually be considered grounds to fire any individual from the organization legitimately.


Keeping this all in mind, if you look at the date that the DOE (Department of Education) was informed that hiring is closed, you claimed that the hiring was closed for the entire organization despite not being able to show any proof that the hiring was closed prior to me being invited to the organization or for that matter, prior to YOU hiring someone right into the organization 5 hours prior. No where does it say within any internal or external announcements that the hiring was closed and even in the evidence you provided it clearly states DOE, once again showing the personal grudge you have. You may be a temporary governor but without basic rules of the city you will never be a real Governor. Every real Governor knows you can't fire someone who is already inside of an organization simply because you don't like them which is the real case here. This could also be seen as favoritism for you magically closing the hiring despite no proof, somehow right before I joined when again 5 hours prior you hired someone. If the hiring was truly closed that applies to everyone including you otherwise it is favoritism and of course you just end up appearing to look hypocritically which in your role, you cannot afford to be even if it is temporary.

Most leaders even know not to violate Leader Rule 1.7 and State Rule 1.8. I have yet to see a single proof of you consulting a Curator before firing me, and again what you failed to do, is what I surely did, and I did that before you fired me just to ensure you would actually get punished for it. So you can go ahead and stop messaging people privately claiming "all of his forums get rejected anyway" and even if it did your position is temporary to begin with.

Damn, How did you even passed bar exam you don’t even know basics of labour code, Labour code clearly states “
Where no such Charter exists, permission must be given by the Employer in order for a
representative of that State Organisation to take actions otherwise reserved in authority for
the Employer” (And if the person who hired you has any evidence that I gave permission to him for hiring then my friend I am wrong but he won’t have because I didn’t!)
About interfering with Hiring process of DOJ, I AM leader of whole GOV including DOJ, and your claim that DOJ is different from GOV if this statements were being said ICLY I would definitely consider opening investigation on your bar exam but that for sometimes else,
I possess full authority to interfere, overlook and regulate hiring process of whole GOV including DOJ, about DOE not being entire GOV, here what we call half knowledge, DOE is the department in current GOV that’s responsible for hiring, training and allocating units in different departments even if hiring was not closed in GOV, your hiring my friend is invalid Because simply I did not approved it and the person who hired you did not had my permission. So my friend you are not an employee of GOV and thats why buddy no labour law for you!

About Me having personal grudge against you, stop giving yourself so much importance.

 

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Damn, How did you even passed par exam you don’t even know basics of labour code, Labour code clearly states “
Where no such Charter exists, permission must be given by the Employer in order for a
representative of that State Organisation to take actions otherwise reserved in authority for
the Employer” (And if the person who hired you has any evidence that I gave permission to him for hiring then my friend I am wrong but he won’t have because I didn’t!)
About interfering with Hiring process of DOJ, I AM leader of whole GOV including DOJ, and your claim that DOJ is different from GOV if this statements were being said ICLY I would definitely consider opening investigation on your bar exam but that for sometimes else,
I possess full authority to interfere, overlook and regulate hiring process of whole GOV including DOJ, about DOE not being entire GOV, here what we call half knowledge, DOE is the department in current GOV that’s responsible for hiring, training and allocating units in different departments even if hiring was not closed in GOV, your hiring my friend is invalid Because simply I did not approved it and the person who hired you did not had my permission. So my friend you are not an employee of GOV and thats why buddy no labour law for you!

About Me having personal grudge against you, stop giving yourself so much importance.

I like that you are taking the time to attempt to insult me on the forum. Need I remind you all comments on the forum need to be the precise topic and seeing as though you are the current sitting leader of the organization, even without leader role on forums, it still does not give you the right to be toxic once again showing how unfit you are for the position you sit in.

 

[Takumii Venetia]

Damn, How did you even passed bar exam you don’t even know basics of labour code, Labour code clearly states “
Where no such Charter exists, permission must be given by the Employer in order for a
representative of that State Organisation to take actions otherwise reserved in authority for
the Employer” (And if the person who hired you has any evidence that I gave permission to him for hiring then my friend I am wrong but he won’t have because I didn’t!)
About interfering with Hiring process of DOJ, I AM leader of whole GOV including DOJ, and your claim that DOJ is different from GOV if this statements were being said ICLY I would definitely consider opening investigation on your bar exam but that for sometimes else,
I possess full authority to interfere, overlook and regulate hiring process of whole GOV including DOJ, about DOE not being entire GOV, here what we call half knowledge, DOE is the department in current GOV that’s responsible for hiring, training and allocating units in different departments even if hiring was not closed in GOV, your hiring my friend is invalid Because simply I did not approved it and the person who hired you did not had my permission. So my friend you are not an employee of GOV and thats why buddy no labour law for you!

About Me having personal grudge against you, stop giving yourself so much importance.

not off topic and not toxicity, but he is calling into question how you got admin previously, and how you are even sitting governor with your lack of knowledge. Every leader has to give curators a proper reason before terminating an employee from the org unless the employee is being fired upon validly being arrested, violations of the labor code which do apply to him as he was a member of the organization, or unless he violated a charter. if gang leaders have to get curator approval what makes you think that you don't? how can you as someone who was previous admin and sitting governor not know these things as well? you call into question his knowledge of the law, and from where sit you look like you are getting folded by him because it doesnt seem as though you know what you are talking about. after reviewing some of your messages as well I can clearly see you're on a power trip at the moment as well. The fact that you are wrong and are too blind to see it is quite amazing really.

 

[Rishav Raj]

I like that you are taking the time to attempt to insult me on the forum. Need I remind you all comments on the forum need to be the precise topic and seeing as though you are the current sitting leader of the organization, even without leader role on forums, it still does not give you the right to be toxic once again showing how unfit you are for the position you sit in.

Again, No insults were made, you accuse me of having personal grudge against you, which inself is a big insult for me. I just replied you, about my comment on you passing bar exam unethically, that was made for admin to check for GR6.4 very precisely sticking to the topic, about me being unfit for this position, sadly you don’t get to decide that.

 

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Again, No insults were made, you accuse me of having personal grudge against you, which inself is a big insult for me. I just replied you, about my comment on you passing bar exam unethically, that was made for admin to check for GR6.4 very precisely sticking to the topic, about me being unfit for this position, sadly you don’t get to decide that.

All of the proof provided shows that there is no other reason for your actions other than a personal grudge. Keeping in mind although DMs cannot be counted against you, doesn't mean I don't know or don't see what it is you send to others. Such a small paragraph in response to a comment that includes nothing but facts about your behavior.

 

[CommanderMalo]

So, This explanation is just for reviewing admin
1) Your hiring was unauthorised, The representative who hired you wasn’t given any permission to hire you and that my friend makes your hiring illegal and unauthorised ​

2.1.2 The Employer may delegate the authority to hire, promote, terminate or discipline Employees to
certain positions (for example: HR Managers, IA Personnel, Head/Director of a Department)
according to the Charter of their Organisation.
a) Where no such Charter exists, permission must be given by the Employer in order for a
representative of that State Organisation to take actions otherwise reserved in authority for
the Employer

Here a) A GOV does not have a charter.
b)The GOV contract which he is claiming to be GOV charter is actually a contract which is clearly written on top of that document
c)Even if we consider that contract to be charter which it shouldn’t be considered as there is no where written that SCJ have authority to hire
d)Law clearly states Employer can delegate authority according to charter but since there is no charter, that point in itself becomes null and void
2)Leader rule 1.7 in itself is invalid since that rule is there to fire someone oocly while in this case all the actions were taken ICLY for IC mistakes
3)Idk about other terms but in zoro’s term every hiring including in DOJ is authorised by Employer or Employer has been kept in loop while hiring someone.
4)If vee doesnt know third party evidence cannot be considered while last screenshot i.e, proof of me ordering his fire is not his screenshot and so it should be considered invalid

5)

https://imgur.com/a/KpnPmIN

In this link its can clearly be seen that hiring has bene closed not 5 hrs earlier but way before.
6)Article 4.1.1 of the Code of Labour and Employment Law gives leaders the discretion to manage their organization, including overseeing hiring and dismissals. The leader’s claim that the hiring was not "approved" falls within the purview of this discretionary authority. Miscommunication or failure to document the closure of hiring does not invalidate the leader’s authority to dismiss improperly hired personnel.
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I would like to point out that while GOV doesn't have a specific charter, you do have an employment contract that he did sign, and so with your actions as sitting Governor you chose, of your own will and without cause, to cancel his contract of employment.

Multiple judges have hired others without the permissions of a previous Governor. As a matter of fact, the previous governor could not even assist me because he didn't even know the DOJ process for lawyers license renewal.

"1) Your hiring was unauthorised, The representative who hired you wasn’t given any permission to hire you and that my friend makes your hiring illegal and unauthorised "

Boy, if this is true, this calls into question EVERY single lawyer that GOV ever hired in the last 2 terms, and I have an inkling of a feeling this statement will get proven wrong.

"2)Leader rule 1.7 in itself is invalid since that rule is there to fire someone oocly while in this case all the actions were taken ICLY for IC mistakes"

Well, you clearly didn't fire him for IC reasons, since there was no IC reason to fire him (Again going off the first point about how Governors have not meddled with the DOJ for the longest time).

"3)Idk about other terms but in zoro’s term every hiring including in DOJ is authorised by Employer or Employer has been kept in loop while hiring someone."

Ah, but you see, "Kept in the loop" and "Authorization to hire someone" are two very different things, and yet here you are equating them to each other as if they have equal standing.

Considering the fact that GOV is always in need of lawyers and public defenders, its also quite shocking you would choose to get rid of one simply because "HiRiNg WaS uNaUtHoRiZeD." And you wonder why people in this city don't want to become lawyers....

 

[Rishav Raj]

I would like to point out that while GOV doesn't have a specific charter, you do have an employment contract that he did sign, and so with your actions as sitting Governor you chose, of your own will and without cause, to cancel his contract of employment.

Multiple judges have hired others without the permissions of a previous Governor. As a matter of fact, the previous governor could not even assist me because he didn't even know the DOJ process for lawyers license renewal.

"1) Your hiring was unauthorised, The representative who hired you wasn’t given any permission to hire you and that my friend makes your hiring illegal and unauthorised "

Boy, if this is true, this calls into question EVERY single lawyer that GOV ever hired in the last 2 terms, and I have an inkling of a feeling this statement will get proven wrong.

"2)Leader rule 1.7 in itself is invalid since that rule is there to fire someone oocly while in this case all the actions were taken ICLY for IC mistakes"

Well, you clearly didn't fire him for IC reasons, since there was no IC reason to fire him (Again going off the first point about how Governors have not meddled with the DOJ for the longest time).

"3)Idk about other terms but in zoro’s term every hiring including in DOJ is authorised by Employer or Employer has been kept in loop while hiring someone."

Ah, but you see, "Kept in the loop" and "Authorization to hire someone" are two very different things, and yet here you are equating them to each other as if they have equal standing.

Considering the fact that GOV is always in need of lawyers and public defenders, its also quite shocking you would choose to get rid of one simply because "HiRiNg WaS uNaUtHoRiZeD." And you wonder why people in this city don't want to become lawyers....

Ok, even you are not related to this forum still

1) Please provide evidence of anything you say, you can not just claim anything and expect people to believe.
2)In Zoro’s term every hiring was done with Governor’s authorisation the person who hired Vee should be the best example who was denied from being hired after direction of then Governor zoro.
3) Kept in loop means Governor was informed and Governor had no objection with that hiring, and authorised it.
Meaning of the word said by me and in what context I am saying should be known by me only. Dont try to misinterpret my words just like you misinterpreted the law. Now this will be my last reply on this! Let the admin decide.
4)1.7 is invalid because he was fired for a IC reason not ooc. again, even if Governors didn’t interfered in DOJ (this statement itself is a big lie Governor’s have always regulated DOJ and if you don’t know DOJ itself work as legal advisor for GOV) but still that does not mean I can’t.​