Rejected State Rule 5.2 | 59335+41476

[MalikSinclaire]

I was running down the street when 2 officers pulled up on me immediately requesting id. I was not wanted nor had i committed any crimes. i was simply just running down street. When officers asked for my id i asked why, they said we are looking for wanted criminal. I stated "okay what does that have to do with me, you have to have reasonable suspicion i commited a crime to request my id." when i refused to show id, officer detained me and forcefully identified me. when they saw i wasnt the criminal they were looking for the released me and let me go. when i requested their id they refused to show it. these officers violated my right to unreasonable search and seizure. they had no probable cause to stop and identify me. this is corruption and both of these officers should be punished and also fired from police for abuse of power.

 

[MalikSinclaire]

Hey Yazgan, laugh all you want. This server operates based on american law, and as an american, i know alot of american law. Irl, this is in fact a violation of the 4th amendment. Law enforcement cannot request id from a citizen without reasonable suspicion of a crime. Its even listed in state legislation, Amendment 2 under the civil rights in San Andreas.

Citizens are entitled to privacy and can refuse to identify themselves except under specific lawful conditions.

1. When required: Law Enforcement must demonstrate valid reasons such as suspicion of a crime or probable cause.

 

[MalikSinclaire]

You can disagree and not like it, thats fine. But i am accurate in everything im saying because i know what im talking about. I argue american law and legislation OOC, so i can assure you, if theres anyone in this city to argue this, its me. never argue with an american about american law, especially when you clearly dont know what you are talking about.

 

[ArifPaşa]

Hello dear admins I am Deputy Head of Department Arif Pasa. We were patrolling with my PD friend and catching the wanted guys in the city for city safety. We used our radar and the radar showed us under the license plate center. We moved there asap. When we saw the ID 223012 was there and we thought he was the suspect and request his passport for check. I said him patiently "We are looking for wanted guy here can you show your passport? And he refused it. Then he started shoutingThen I cuffed him for identification and got his name and release him when I see he is not the wanted guy. Thats the all situation and here is my POV dear admin. Have a nice day.

 

[Yazgan Erlik]

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we called a criminal from the police tablet and noticed that it was on the connection plate and there was only that person there we thought the criminal was this person thats all that happened

 

[ArifPaşa]

You can disagree and not like it, thats fine. But i am accurate in everything im saying because i know what im talking about. I argue american law and legislation OOC, so i can assure you, if theres anyone in this city to argue this, its me. never argue with an american about american law, especially when you clearly dont know what you are talking about.

Sir I gave you the reason we were looking for wanted guy and I saied to you but you didnt listen me and started to shouting to police

 

[Sultan Mehmed Fatih]

They had a reason to ask you for your Passport as they were looking for a Wanted Criminal around there!! Maybe you don't know but officers get locations of wanted criminal on map and only way to arrest the wanted guy is to check every person's passport who is at that location! And you were not wanted so they just checked and let you go although you could've been charged for Failure to Identify!! It could've ended up without any mess if you have just shown your passport!!

 

[MalikSinclaire]

they have to have reasonable suspicion that i was the wanted criminals. being in the areas of a crime being committed is not grounds for requesting id. you need some type of evidence and probable cause that i am the wanted criminal before requesting id, which you did not have. there are over 1000 people in the city, you gonna stop and violate everyones rights cuz your looking for someone in paticular.

 

[MalikSinclaire]

They had a reason to ask you for your Passport as they were looking for a Wanted Criminal around there!! Maybe you don't know but officers get locations of wanted criminal on map and only way to arrest the wanted guy is to check every person's passport who is at that location! And you were not wanted so they just checked and let you go although you could've been charged for Failure to Identify!! It could've ended up without any mess if you have just shown your passport!!

they have to have probable cause. futher more neither of you identified yourself when i requested id.

 

[MalikSinclaire]

They had a reason to ask you for your Passport as they were looking for a Wanted Criminal around there!! Maybe you don't know but officers get locations of wanted criminal on map and only way to arrest the wanted guy is to check every person's passport who is at that location! And you were not wanted so they just checked and let you go although you could've been charged for Failure to Identify!! It could've ended up without any mess if you have just shown your passport!!

so you are going to violate everyone right to privacy because you are incapable of proving probable cause?

 

[MalikSinclaire]

so you are going to violate everyone right to privacy because you are incapable of proving probable cause?

They had a reason to ask you for your Passport as they were looking for a Wanted Criminal around there!! Maybe you don't know but officers get locations of wanted criminal on map and only way to arrest the wanted guy is to check every person's passport who is at that location! And you were not wanted so they just checked and let you go although you could've been charged for Failure to Identify!! It could've ended up without any mess if you have just shown your passport!!

you think cops in the ghetto stop every citizen and id them because they are looking for a criminal?

 

[MalikSinclaire]

Sir I gave you the reason we were looking for wanted guy and I saied to you but you didnt listen me and started to shouting to police

again. you looking for a wanted criminal has nothing to do with me running down the street. you need to have some type of proof that i am the one committing a crime in order to request id. Perhaps you should read amendment 2 of the civil rights act of san andreas. i have the right to refuse id when law enfoprcement does not have probable cause of me commiting a crime.

 

[MalikSinclaire]

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we called a criminal from the police tablet and noticed that it was on the connection plate and there was only that person there we thought the criminal was this person thats all that happened

this is not proof of probably cause. being in the same area as your are while your looking for wanted criminal does not give you probable cause to stop and request id. you have no proof of a crime or probable cause. this is corruption and a violation of my rights as a citizen.

 

[ArifPaşa]

this is not proof of probably cause. being in the same area as your are while your looking for wanted criminal does not give you probable cause to stop and request id. you have no proof of a crime or probable cause. this is corruption and a violation of my rights as a citizen.

you dont know the rules if someone have wanted level at the area we can ask passports and I already said you in the POV.We are looking for wanted guy. And I can take you to DOC because of failure to Identify (P.C. 3.11.2 Failure to identify) but I released you and let you go

 

[Lucian Sinclaire]

They had a reason to ask you for your Passport as they were looking for a Wanted Criminal around there!! Maybe you don't know but officers get locations of wanted criminal on map and only way to arrest the wanted guy is to check every person's passport who is at that location! And you were not wanted so they just checked and let you go although you could've been charged for Failure to Identify!! It could've ended up without any mess if you have just shown your passport!!

Let me break some things down for you. In a court of law, it is not the defenses responsibility to prove innocence, it is the prosecutions responsibility to prove a criminal act. In a law enforcement capacity, you have to have some type of probable cause to stop and identify someone (I.e. description of the suspect, picture id of the suspect you are looking for). By law, you cannot say that because someone was in the area you are searching that that automatically gives you the right to identify everyone in that area. If your police database does not provide you with that information, that is not my problem, that is the problem of the inidividual agency and the government. You do not have the right to violate my civil rights to privacy because your police agency doesn’t have the resources to properly identify wanted criminals.

 

[Lucian Sinclaire]

Sir I gave you the reason we were looking for wanted guy and I saied to you but you didnt listen me and started to shouting to police

You should have done your due diligence and rechecked the database for the location of the suspect upon arriving to the location. At the time of the initial search, you were 30-45 seconds away. If the suspect was in a vehicle his location would have changed drastically. You failed to do proper police investigating before conducting an unlawful stop.

 

[ArifPaşa]

Let me break some things down for you. In a court of law, it is not the defenses responsibility to prove innocence, it is the prosecutions responsibility to prove a criminal act. In a law enforcement capacity, you have to have some type of probable cause to stop and identify someone (I.e. description of the suspect, picture id of the suspect you are looking for). By law, you cannot say that because someone was in the area you are searching that that automatically gives you the right to identify everyone in that area. If your police database does not provide you with that information, that is not my problem, that is the problem of the inidividual agency and the government. You do not have the right to violate my civil rights to privacy because your police agency doesn’t have the resources to properly identify wanted criminals.

Lets admins decide thanks

 

[Lucian Sinclaire]

you dont know the rules if someone have wanted level at the area we can ask passports and I already said you in the POV.We are looking for wanted guy. And I can take you to DOC because of failure to Identify (P.C. 3.11.2 Failure to identify) but I released you and let you go

you dont know the rules if someone have wanted level at the area we can ask passports and I already said you in the POV.We are looking for wanted guy. And I can take you to DOC because of failure to Identify (P.C. 3.11.2 Failure to identify) but I released you and let you go

No you can’t. Because again, you have no evidence or probable cause to support you stopping me and asking me for ID. Did you have a description of the suspect? What vehicle he may have been traveling in? Based on your own bodycam footage, you conducted no investigation. You just went to the location and stopped the first person you saw without any probable cause I was the suspect. Citizens are entitled to privacy based on Amendment 2 under the civil rights legislation. I am not required to identify myself if you do not have probable cause or suspicion of a crime.

 

[Lucian Sinclaire]

If admins decide I am in the wrong then so be it I will accept their decision and move on. But I know I have a valid legal arguement for my complaint.

 

[ArifPaşa]

If admins decide I am in the wrong then so be it I will accept their decision and move on. But I know I have a valid legal arguement for my complaint.

you are not mentioned and still speaking be quiet and admins decide thanks