Reviewed Wrong Decision | Darsh Patel

[John Morozov]

While reviewing the complaint, the administrator didn't look at some of the key points as well as I feel like some of the points the administrator has provided are incorrect.


4th point - gang asked to not engine block the cars which is not unrealistic demand but can be considered more of a RP negotiation same as state can offer less money for a hostage and gangs can negotiate on it. (Gang can ask to not use engine blockers however, accepting or denying it is upto state as a part of the negotiation, however state don't have to comply with it)
- If it was a request or negotiations RP, they would have left the hostage go instead of keeping the hostage DEMANDING not to engine block their cars.
- Secondly, anything that gives gangs an advantage is considered a demand, such as changing locations, removing officers from the back, etc. Not using engine blockers is something that gives gangs an advantage so it's clearly a demand. Combined with the fact they already requested 300k and free passage and that both of those demands were fulfilled, this is a 3rd demand which falls under Fail RP/UB demands.

5th point, gang can hold a hostage with 3 members.
- I wasn't even arguing that they cannot hold a hostage with 3 members. The problem was that they abused the hostage.

-Also, the part where the gang members said they will kill the hostage if there will be more than 3 LEOs at negotiations was ignored by the reviewing administrator.
Threatening the life of a hostage is a demand
Similar to this decision by Oghi Flann, the demands given by Bloods in these negotiations:
- Money
- Free passage
- No engine blocking of their cars (since they refused to free the hostage after the first 2 demands were fulfilled and were saying we need to not engine block them)
- Only 3 people at negotiations or the hostage will die.

All these points were provided by me in the original complaint with timestamps to the POV.


The fact that the gang kept holding one of our agents hostage AFTER both of their demands were fulfilled (300k and no barricades) for 9 extra minutes, using this to allow all other gang members to escape the situation. Bloods stalled RP, and prolonged the situation for no reason at all. They were given both demands that they gave us, and they just stalled the situation for 9 extra minutes getting an advantage to let the other gang members escape and us not being able to chase them as we still have to fear for the hostage.

If it's not a rulebreak, then they could've kept the hostage for another hour or two? Maybe until the server restart?? The reviewing administrator completely ignored this part of the situation as if it never happened at all. Admins were only present there for 1.5 minutes, even with that it's still 7.5 minutes of the person being held hostage AFTER the demands were fulfilled.

Thank you for reading this complaint and I hope for a proper review of my complaint.

Best Regards,
John Morozov

 

[AK.Nuke]

Not off toppic but I was involved in thi ssituation.
In this store rob we know leos will shot us as soon as we leave the hostage even though we requested for free passage. This is clearly abusing the one hostage one demand rule. There is no point if they just push the roofs we are holding. How is that a demand? FIB leader want to come and arrest us in our space but we cant ask them to not come, if we ask them to stay away its a demand?
When we do a hostage situation we are not allowed to shoot but these people can shoot after we asking for free passage. I dont understand the word free passage. How is it free passage if they hold guns at our face for us to leave the hostage.
Reviewing admin please give us standard rules and terms of a free passage, For both the state and crime side. To be clear, for state side what can leos do when we ask for free passage and what is not allowed, and for gang side when leos comply and ask us to give free passage for a hostage situation.

By the info Federico in that situation they can kill us after we give hostage in a free passage, and free passage only includes spikes and barricade removal but leos can shoot once the get the hostage. But on the other side we as gangs have to give free passage to leos if they comply in a hostage situation, which means no barricades no spikes only ( Which we cant put anyway ) but in addition to this if we shoot its fail rp for us. As gangs we cant lie to the leos saying we will give them free passage but leos can lie to us about a free passage.

 

[AK.Nuke]

Reviewing admin please give us standard rules and terms of a free passage, For both the state and crime side. To be clear, for state side what can leos do when we ask for free passage and what is not allowed, and for gang side when leos comply and ask us to give free passage for a hostage situation.

 

[Bobby Pluxury]

Reviewed

1. For the engine blocking, use Anti engine blocks that are provided to simply get away from the situation, free passage is as it says free passage with no blockage of your path such as barricades and spikes or blocking the road with a vehicle and not blocking the engine, so not to be engine blocked is a demand by itself.
2. change of location is fully allowed as long as there is a proper reasoning for this request such as LEOs life are at risk in that location, and a the reason must be valid, not just lets change the location over and over.
3. Regarding the "stalling" it seems that you all are still arguing so when that happens obv there will be time wasted.
will be looking more into this case and situation.