On consideration Mass Rule Break | Marabunta

[CHAYAN BARNES]

Dear Admins,

As you can see in my POV, the LEOs were already on the roof. After some time, Bunta started coming up the ladder one by one. We repeatedly told them to get down from the roof, but they ignored our warnings and showed no fear for their lives.

We understand that they had a hostage, but in my opinion, if we had secured the roof, they should not have attempted to climb up while there was only one exposed access point. They also did not make any demands for a considerable amount of time after reaching the roof.

Additionally, some of the gangsters were climbing the ladder while holding assault rifles in their hands, which I believe is PG rule break. From my perspective, there were multiple rule breaks throughout the situation.

Despite this, we chose to continue the Rp and eventually went back down to avoid further escalation.

Relevant Timestamps: Pg and Fear Rp

• 2:27
• 2:45
• 3:01
• 3:10

 

[Mr.Old]

My Name Tugra Coffinson, Marabunta of Deputy.
ID 34480
you've basically made up some parts yourself and added a few things while explaining the situation most of what you said is correct but there are things you skipped so let me explain the parts you don't know properly

first of all during the event we were only short by around 1 person if we look at the overall numbers you generally had more people but on that roof we outnumbered you my other members went up the ladder first because i was busy reviving the 2 marabunta members that you told to jump down

honestly i don't think you know the rules because we had 2 hostages and we outnumbered you on that roof when we have hostages and the numerical advantage in a situation like that you cannot simply resist us that is fail rp

also you keep saying ez gov ez gov to everyone who comes there what exactly does that mean are we not allowed to come there i don't understand is forcing you to leave that area somehow a rule violation

you were the ones who were supposed to show fear rp there not us when we outnumbered you and had 2 hostages downstairs you cannot keep insisting on staying there and arguing with me about it go read the rules

 

[Mr.Old]

i got recordings from everyone who was there at that moment so please also look at this recording to see what happened from marabunta's side there are no rule violations
STORE ROBBERY POV:

STORE ROBBERY POV:

 

[Diaa Shalan]

not off topic:
im the FIB agent id 127801 and the fib was Negotiating with the gangs also they didnt inform us to leave the roofs or we will kill the hostages or demands if you i have my pov from FIB side

 

[CHAYAN BARNES]

Don't try to deceive the admins by submitting a POV that hides your own gang members' doing PG while only showing the other side.

Take this as a real example: if there are 10–12 LEOs holding a rooftop with only one access point, how does the first gang member decide to climb up directly in front of 10–12 police officers? That is clearly Fear Rp.

Under the new rule, we are not allowed to do that. We may choose to let the first gang member leave because he was alone at the beginning. Otherwise, we are fully allowed to detain him and request an exchange.

We understand rooftop takeovers when there are a big open entrance, such as the Legion rooftop, where 10–20 people or more can push at the same time. But climbing one by one through a single access point directly into 10–12 officers is simply unrealistic and doesn't make sense.

Also, kindly don't use phrases like "you don't know the rules." The admins are there to guide us, and their decision will always be final. Let them to review the situation and make the appropriate judgment.

i got recordings from everyone who was there at that moment so please also look at this recording to see what happened from marabunta's side there are no rule violations
STORE ROBBERY POV:

 

[Mr.Old]

i edited my previous message and sent you the second POV as well everything happened exactly as we explained

also that roof has 2 entrances we simply didn't want to use the other one because we thought it might be considered outside the event area you can go and check the roof yourselves there is no way there were 10-12 cops on that roof 3 people were negotiators and actually even more than 3 cops were negotiating with the other deputies near the road there were also more than 10 people around the road area so how could there possibly be another 10-12 cops on that roof

we came to that roof with more people than you

let me give you an example from another event around 2 or 2 and a half weeks ago there was an event where Queen Maryam was also present Ballas robbed the store next to the gas station located between Ballas and The Families territory we tried to remove the Ballas members from the roof next to the taxi place across from the gas station and we used only one ladder to get up there even though our numbers were almost equal we were not able to force them off the roof so we stayed there and fought them

at that time this was not considered a rule violation although in my opinion it was wrong because Ballas had a hostage

now coming back to our gun store robbery that roof has 2 entrances you can go there and check it yourselves

i'm saying this again there is no way you had 10-12 people on that roof but even if we assume that you actually had that many people there we still outnumbered you on that roof or at the absolute worst our numbers were equal

but there is one major difference we had 2 hostages and they were normal civilians you cannot put their lives in danger

i'm repeating this again we all came up together through the same entrance and in that situation you were the ones who were supposed to show fear rp but you didn't and instead you turned the situation into fail rp

 

[CHAYAN BARNES]

i edited my previous message and sent you the second POV as well everything happened exactly as we explained

also that roof has 2 entrances we simply didn't want to use the other one because we thought it might be considered outside the event area you can go and check the roof yourselves there is no way there were 10-12 cops on that roof 3 people were negotiators and actually even more than 3 cops were negotiating with the other deputies near the road there were also more than 10 people around the road area so how could there possibly be another 10-12 cops on that roof

we came to that roof with more people than you

let me give you an example from another event around 2 or 2 and a half weeks ago there was an event where Queen Maryam was also present Ballas robbed the store next to the gas station located between Ballas and The Families territory we tried to remove the Ballas members from the roof next to the taxi place across from the gas station and we used only one ladder to get up there even though our numbers were almost equal we were not able to force them off the roof so we stayed there and fought them

at that time this was not considered a rule violation although in my opinion it was wrong because Ballas had a hostage

now coming back to our gun store robbery that roof has 2 entrances you can go there and check it yourselves

i'm saying this again there is no way you had 10-12 people on that roof but even if we assume that you actually had that many people there we still outnumbered you on that roof or at the absolute worst our numbers were equal

but there is one major difference we had 2 hostages and they were normal civilians you cannot put their lives in danger

i'm repeating this again we all came up together through the same entrance and in that situation you were the ones who were supposed to show fear rp but you didn't and instead you turned the situation into fail rp

i edited my previous message and sent you the second POV as well everything happened exactly as we explained

also that roof has 2 entrances we simply didn't want to use the other one because we thought it might be considered outside the event area you can go and check the roof yourselves there is no way there were 10-12 cops on that roof 3 people were negotiators and actually even more than 3 cops were negotiating with the other deputies near the road there were also more than 10 people around the road area so how could there possibly be another 10-12 cops on that roof

we came to that roof with more people than you

let me give you an example from another event around 2 or 2 and a half weeks ago there was an event where Queen Maryam was also present Ballas robbed the store next to the gas station located between Ballas and The Families territory we tried to remove the Ballas members from the roof next to the taxi place across from the gas station and we used only one ladder to get up there even though our numbers were almost equal we were not able to force them off the roof so we stayed there and fought them

at that time this was not considered a rule violation although in my opinion it was wrong because Ballas had a hostage

now coming back to our gun store robbery that roof has 2 entrances you can go there and check it yourselves

i'm saying this again there is no way you had 10-12 people on that roof but even if we assume that you actually had that many people there we still outnumbered you on that roof or at the absolute worst our numbers were equal

but there is one major difference we had 2 hostages and they were normal civilians you cannot put their lives in danger

i'm repeating this again we all came up together through the same entrance and in that situation you were the ones who were supposed to show fear rp but you didn't and instead you turned the situation into fail rp

The second location you're talking about wasn't accessible from the store's AOP.


One more thing—you don't say that leos go down. Otherwise we will kill the hostage, At no point during the negotiations did any FIB officer or anyone else tell us to go down, nor did anyone say that you would kill the hostage if we didn't. We were there from the beginning, and some of our LEOs may not even have known that you had a hostage. If your intention was to execute the hostage unless we moved, you should have clearly communicated that. Instead, you were saying things like, "Everyone come near me," and so on.

Also, we had sufficient numbers. If you count them, there were around 12 FIB officers, with one at the negotiation point, and 5 SAHP officers, with 2 at the negotiation point—so approximately 17 officers in total. I mentioned that there were around 10–12 officers on the roof.


I request that we don't argue further on this matter. Otherwise, both of us may end up receiving a forum warning. Let the admins to review the situation and wait for their decision.

 

[Mr.Old]

you're still speaking without knowing exactly what happened regarding the second entrance i mentioned i chose not to use it because i thought it might have been outside the event area since i couldn't remember clearly but after we killed all of you i personally went down using those stairs and they were actually inside the event area

i called everyone to my position because i wanted to show you that we had the numerical advantage there i don't understand what was wrong with that i'm not a negotiator but your negotiators should have been aware of the situation when we had 2 innocent civilian hostages in our hands you couldn't simply resist us in that situation if you have some roleplay knowledge you should already know this

regarding the numbers you're still giving incorrect information anyone who was there would tell you that there were fewer police officers on that roof you're counting everyone who participated in the entire event so let me explain it again

on the marabunta side 3 people stayed downstairs for negotiations and 1 person stayed with the hostage everyone else came to the roof after you came down some of our members also went back down and then moved onto the roof where the hostage was and fired from there

on the police side there were around 20 people maximum on average now remove at least 3 and actually closer to 5 people from that number because 3 officers were speaking with the marabunta negotiators and i was the last person to go up i personally saw at least 5 people waiting around the negotiation area

i was also in a family where the fib leader and almost all of fib were present at the time and i could see them on the map there weren't that many fib members there anyway let's continue with the numbers there were at least 10 police officers on the opposite sidewalk from where the negotiations were taking place downstairs so naturally it would be impossible for another 10-12 police officers to have been on that roof

also i'm not arguing with you i'm simply explaining what happened and stating the facts i'm not trying to accuse anyone in any way if it came across that way i apologize

respectfully

 

[Mr.Old]

to give you accurate information i reviewed all the recordings again and once again i saw that there is no way you outnumbered us on that roof our numbers were almost equal

you had to come down from the roof anyway because as soon as i arrived at the store robbery i asked the second deputy xeno rynox why we hadn't taken the high roof then i left the negotiation area and took everyone there

please review the recordings again and even count everyone one by one you'll see it for yourselves thank you

 

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